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Katie: Hi there, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, my new private care line. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. This episode deviates from the bodily points of well being, however into one other space that can be essential, and that’s monetary wellness and long-term monetary wellbeing as a result of statistically, monetary struggles are a significant supply of stress for many people and likewise a significant supply of relationship stress for a lot of {couples}. I believe this final 12 months has made that much more acute for lots of people. And I assumed it was necessary to start out a dialog round this subject.
I’m right here with Michael Stevens who runs capitalwealth.com. And he’s been certainly one of my factors of contact for determining a few of these methods myself. And I wished to share them with you guys at the moment. We go into from very primary degree issues like financial savings versus investing and how much methods to arrange for this after which additionally into some much less well-known, however tax useful methods that you need to use for your loved ones, even that youngsters can typically use from a younger age that result in long-term wealth. He breaks down a few of his most used methods along with his purchasers and likewise provides some suggestions for constructing a powerful basis for lifelong monetary well being together with your youngsters. Like I stated, undoubtedly a unique subject, however I believe an important one, particularly proper now. So, with out additional ado, let’s be part of Mike. Mike Stevens, welcome to the podcast.
Michael: Hey Katie, I’m excited to be right here, and thanks for having me.
Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you as a result of any of my longtime listeners know I cowl a complete lot of matters associated to well being and wellness. And once we have a look at the statistics, it looks as if funds are literally a significant supply of stress for lots of people. And I’ve talked about stress rather a lot on right here as a result of it has a cascade impact into each space of our life. However I believe funds are an enormous supply of stress. And this previous 12 months has compounded that even for lots of people, and particularly for lots of households. And you’re the finest skilled I do know within the space of monetary wellness. And I assumed it might be actually related and necessary to, form of, delve into this space, particularly from the main target of what we will do as households to organize and have higher monetary wellness in our day by day lives. And in order that’s why I used to be so excited to carry you on. I do know this can be a massive subject and there’s a whole lot of totally different instructions we’re gonna go. However to start out us off broad, are you able to simply, form of, give us an outline of the work that you simply do in relation to monetary wellness and preparedness?
Michael: Yeah, completely. And thanks a lot for having me on as a visitor. Katie, I do know that a whole lot of your listeners, such as you stated, are into the bodily points of well being and wellness. However once more, like what you have been saying, the monetary side of well being and wellness is so necessary. So, what we actually give attention to at my agency, Capital Wealth Advisors, is giving folks peace of thoughts and readability with their funds. And I all the time inform folks that we don’t work for Wall Road. We work for our shopper’s finest curiosity. And that’s actually necessary. I’d say, initially, as an advisor, it’s a must to be working with somebody who’s a fiduciary. And it’d be no totally different than going to a physician that doesn’t actually care about what’s occurring in your life versus somebody that, you recognize, they’re invested in ensuring that you simply succeed. So a whole lot of what we find yourself doing is taking a look at issues from a complete standpoint to offer folks monetary peace and wellness of their life in order that they will benefit from the issues with household and buddies, and simply the objectives that they wanna obtain of their life.
Katie: Yeah, that’s so necessary. What are a few of these issues that you simply begin to take a look at? As a result of I do know from my very own, form of, journey over the past 15 years of being married and having youngsters, within the very starting, funds have been so tight that it was simply really like month-to-month survival to pay payments. And it took a mindset shift for me as, like, we began to have the ability to develop issues somewhat bit to have the ability to be actually clever with these assets and determine how one can put them in locations that may result in progress and safety over time. So what are a few of these components that you simply have a look at? Clearly, I’m positive persons are beginning in a whole lot of totally different locations. However what do you begin by taking a look at?
Michael: Completely. You already know, our core specialty is working with people who find themselves nearing retirement or in retirement, however we assist folks from each stage of the sport. And, you recognize, in some unspecified time in the future in my life, I used to be simply starting as effectively too similar to you and your husband. And the actually necessary factor for folks to appreciate is that it isn’t as daunting as what it appears. And now, with the web and issues like YouTube and nice books, there’s a whole lot of actually good assets to make use of to have the ability to plan your monetary future. You already know, there’s that outdated Chinese language proverb that claims, “The most effective time to plant a tree was 20 years in the past. After which the second-best time is now.” So, the explanation why I’m sharing that with the listeners right here is as a result of I simply wanna encourage folks, don’t wait as a result of in case you begin small, and simply preserve going and construct off that momentum, sooner or later, you’re gonna look again and go, “Wow, I’m so glad that I began. I had no thought I’d make that massive of a distinction.”
Katie: Completely. And that’s one other nice corollary with well being as effectively is, you recognize, like, any form of coaching or getting wholesome, the perfect time to start out is a extremely very long time in the past. The second-best time is correct now. And people issues construct over time slowly that generally you don’t even discover, till sooner or later it’s a extremely profound change. And also you talked about working extra with folks as they get near retirement. And I do know I’ve seen statistics that it looks as if because the generations have gone, persons are making ready much less and fewer, not even simply saving much less and fewer from a financial perspective, however making ready much less and fewer for that. And it virtually looks as if what we used to consider as the concept of retirement has morphed as effectively. Like, we don’t see folks usually as typically working for a similar firm and having simply retirement advantages that absolutely present for them as they become older. Is that what you’re discovering as effectively?
Michael: Yeah, completely. And I believe a whole lot of it has to do with the way in which our society is changing into. Beforehand, you recognize, our grandparents, they weren’t into instantaneous gratification as a lot as we are actually with with the ability to scroll on Fb or Instagram and, form of, get an endorphin hit, simply from what we want proper now. You’ll be able to watch, you recognize, video on demand with Netflix., and so forth. However the entire thing is, is that I’d inform folks that you simply don’t wanna commerce your monetary peace of thoughts for being an impulsive purchaser. And what I imply by that’s that it is advisable be devoted and say, “Look, I’ve a purpose that I wanna retire.” And actually, Katie, the earlier that somebody will get began on this, the higher it’s gonna be. It actually has a compound impact. Identical to you stated, on well being and wellness, the identical factor goes for monetary. Should you can say, “I’m gonna be devoted and I’m gonna put apart X quantity of {dollars} a month, or hey, I’m not gonna be an impulsive purchaser and exit and purchase one thing instantly simply because I need it,” you’re gonna discover that you simply’re gonna save much more cash.
And whereas it’s, you recognize, all the time enjoyable to maintain up with the Joneses, there is a component of stress that comes together with that. And, you recognize, I’ve seen folks which can be a few of the most happiest folks of their life, they dwell a really modest life-style, they usually take pleasure in their time with their household and buddies however they don’t have issues like debt hanging over them. And that’s actually irritating for lots of people. So, I’d simply recommend to anybody listening, in case you haven’t already began, simply have a disciplined plan. And it doesn’t imply that it’s a must to dwell on any, form of, funds the place you’re consuming simply rice and beans, however do issues like pay your self first. I’m additionally an enormous proponent of charity as effectively. So, taking a few of your cash that you simply’re incomes and paying it ahead, I discover that helps you be extra comfortable in life if you’re blessing the lives of different folks as a result of actually, that’s what cash is. Cash is a device, and you need to use cash to amplify your self. And in case you’re particular person, and also you give your time, and also you give cash, and also you’re disciplined, you’re gonna discover much more happiness in your life.
Katie: So what are a few of these particular issues that folks can begin to study and begin to prioritize after they get to the purpose of getting, hopefully, money owed paid off, issues like that? Is there, like, a triage that you simply work by way of with folks after they are available in and determining the highest priorities and the place these assets could be finest used?
Michael: Yeah, I’m actually glad that you simply requested that query as a result of there’s about three issues that we have a look at for folks. One is charges. Charges matter. And I hope that every one the listeners listening to this can all the time bear in mind this analogy. However charges are like operating into the wind with a parachute on. It’s gonna actually gradual you again. And if you concentrate on it, when anybody goes all the way down to, you recognize, like Las Vegas or one thing, you may have all these stunning casinos. Clearly, they’re constructed due to what folks have misplaced. Financially, these casinos are constructed up they usually’re actually fairly. The identical goes for Wall Road. You already know, Wall Road have these stunning ivory towers. You already know, if you stroll in, there’s, you recognize, marble, and granite, and stuff far and wide. That’s due to charges. So, we attempt to encourage folks simply to grasp first, what are the charges that they’re paying of their monetary points of their funding life? And in case you don’t know what your charges are, then attain out to your advisor. And in case you don’t have an advisor, begin doing somewhat little bit of analysis and determining what the charges are as a result of charges completely make a distinction.
The following factor that I inform folks is taxes. And other people all the time have a look at me sideways once I discuss taxes. And right here’s the explanation why it’s so necessary to grasp about taxes if you’re speaking about investments. My dad taught me early in life, it’s not how a lot you make, it’s how a lot you retain that counts. So, proper now, consider it or not, taxes are on sale. Should you go all the way in which again to 1913, that’s when taxes started in the USA. Taxes have gone actually, actually excessive earlier than. I’ll share with you a real story. Ronald Reagan, earlier than he was the president, he was an actor. Ronald Reagan would solely make about two films per 12 months. The rationale why he solely made two films per 12 months is he was contracted with the studios to make about $100,000 per film. So, on the time within the ’40s and ’50s within the State of California, when Ronald Reagan was making these films, he was in a 94% tax bracket on something that he would earn over $200,000. So for, you recognize, widespread sense functions, he wouldn’t work something after these two films have been made and he would simply experience his horses on his ranch and pay his remaining taxes to the State of California.
So, once more, going again to that complete mindset of taxes being at an all-time low proper now, you recognize, the highest tax bracket is 35%. And once more, if you return to what Ronald Reagan was paying when he was within the ’40s and ’50s on $200,000, which by the way in which, was some huge cash again then. However $200,000, 94% tax bracket, ouch. So, taxes are on sale. So, you recognize, what’s actually necessary about this, and I do know that I’m in all probability throwing rather a lot on the listeners unexpectedly, and hopefully, they’re taking notes, and going again and listening to this part once more as a result of that is form of an necessary level, the federal deficit proper now, Katie, as we’re speaking in March, is $28 trillion. And to place that into perspective, in case you return 1 trillion seconds in the past, that was 31,688 years in the past, 1 trillion seconds. The Nationwide deficit is $28 trillion and we’re good on the cusp of including one other $2 trillion stimulus bundle. Folks should pay for that.
So, if you’re working and also you’re placing cash into tax-deferred accounts, like your 401(okay)s or 403(b)s, something the place it’s a must to pay taxes later in life, you would possibly take into account doing a Roth contribution. And that’s tax-free cash. So taxes are on sale. After which the final and I believe an important factor, and we’ll dive extra into this somewhat bit, however it is advisable have a written revenue plan. And cash is a type of issues between {couples} that there’s disagreements. And I misplaced my dad at an early age, and bless my dad’s coronary heart, he was a improbable man, he took care of taxes, investments, insurance coverage, all the pieces for my mother, and my two sisters, and myself. And once we misplaced my dad, tragically and unexpectedly when he was 49 years outdated, my mother had no clue the place to show. She didn’t know what to do. Now, had my mother had communicated with my dad they usually had a written plan of right here’s once we wanna retire, right here’s how a lot we have to save, and right here’s how a lot revenue we will take out of the retirement plan in order that if certainly one of us will get sick sooner or later or each of us that we’re gonna be okay.
You already know, if I have been to be sitting on a airplane proper now going to Hawaii, and the pilot comes on and he says, “You already know what? I’m excited, girls and gents, to fly you to Hawaii. It’s gentle winds and 87 levels. And this airplane has a 42% likelihood of success of constructing it to Hawaii.” I’m not likely positive that I’d keep on that airplane. So, going into your retirement years and never having an precise plan that’s stress-tested for the nice and dangerous and realizing that that plan is gonna work out, that may truly be a extremely dangerous factor. You don’t wanna hope and a prayer plan. You need an precise written revenue plan. So, these are, form of, the three issues to recap, is charges matter, taxes matter, and having an precise written revenue plan.
Katie: I’m glad you introduced that up about taxes. That had all the time been my hesitation with something that was tax-deferred of simply, like, if we have a look at historical past, are the percentages that taxes are going to go up or down? And up appears extra doubtless. And I believe Roths are an awesome choice. For anyone who’s not conversant in that, are you able to stroll us by way of what a Roth is and the way they work? As a result of I do know that additionally some folks aren’t in a position to arrange a Roth.
Michael: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So you actually have buckets that the IRS simply determines you on the way you’re gonna be taxed on one thing. And, form of, the widespread buckets on the market, you’ve heard of an IRA and also you’ve heard of a 401(okay) and 403(b) probably, these are a tax-deferred bucket. And what which means is that if you go and also you see your CPA, and your CPA, bless their coronary heart, says, “Hey, you wanna get monetary savings in taxes this 12 months. Go forward and put cash into this 401(okay) or IRA, this tax-deferred bucket, and it’s gonna prevent cash.” Nicely, what lots of people don’t perceive, and it was myself included earlier than I acquired into the trade, is that doesn’t imply that you simply’re not paying taxes on that cash. It simply signifies that you’re deferring it to a later level sooner or later. And such as you stated, there’s a excessive likelihood of success that taxes are gonna go up sooner or later. In order that’s actually a short-term method, simply saying, “Hey, let’s commerce one thing for proper now that sooner or later is likely to be much more.”
So, lots of people don’t notice that there’s one thing referred to as a Roth IRA. And in case you’re working, your employer might have what’s referred to as a Roth 401(okay). And what which means is that you simply’re eligible to place cash into this account. And there are guidelines round it. I’ll go over that in a single second. However there’s an account that you could put cash into the place you’ve already paid the tax. After which as soon as the cash goes into this Roth account or Roth 401(okay), it’s going to develop and develop and develop and by no means be taxed ever once more sooner or later. So why does that matter? Nicely, once more, if we have a look at the nationwide deficit, a couple of issues are gonna have to occur for the deficit to return down. One, both the federal government’s gonna should spend much less. Yeah, proper. I doubt that’s gonna occur. Or two, what’s gonna occur is that they’re gonna attain into your tax-deferred account and say, “Hey, thanks a lot. We actually respect you working laborious. We’re simply gonna improve taxes and take extra of your retirement cash in your tax-deferred aspect.” However after you have it into the Roth account, there are completely no taxes that may ever be taken out.
So, once more, that’s why I stated, taxes are on sale. And if you wish to purchase one thing, and it is advisable purchase one thing, and that merchandise is on sale, that in all probability is sensible at level to really purchase it whereas they’re on sale. Katie, I do wanna point out, nearly generally folks aren’t conscious, even when they’re incomes an excessive amount of cash…Let me truly again that up for one second, how a Roth IRA will work. And this isn’t a Roth 401(okay) however a Roth IRA is in case you’re youthful than age 50, you’re allowed to place $6,000 per particular person, per 12 months right into a Roth IRA, that tax-free bucket. If you’re over the age of fifty, you’re allowed to do an additional $1,000 contribution catch-up. So that you and your partner might do $7,000 per particular person per 12 months. Nonetheless, something that’s good for the IRS, they usually restrict us. So, there are guidelines and also you wanna undoubtedly discuss to a CPA or an accountant and just remember to’re eligible.
However in case you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, the IRS says, “Hey, sorry, you’re doing too effectively in life. We’re not gonna allow you to put your cash into tax-free.” There are some autos on the aspect that in case your listeners wanna attain out, we might discuss however there are tax-free options. However going again to that Roth IRA, in case you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, and you may’t contribute to a Roth IRA, and also you do have a tax-deferred account, you is likely to be eligible to do what’s referred to as a Roth conversion. And that’s somewhat recognized factor that lots of people don’t notice is that in case you say, “Hey, that’s me. I’ve put a whole lot of my cash right into a tax-deferred account, and I really feel like taxes would possibly go up, how do I preserve extra of what’s mine?” Nicely, that you possibly can truly do some Roth conversions. And the draw back is, is you gotta pay some taxes to get it into the tax-free bucket. However, once more, like I discussed, taxes are on sale. So, each single particular person has their very own magic tax quantity. You need to know the way a lot is suitable so that you can convert.
Katie: Yeah, that’s…We had to try this as a result of we didn’t perceive all of this early on both. And so we ended up changing some issues right into a Roth. However I believe one other level right here that’s attention-grabbing to speak about, I do know there’s gonna be complexities. And the reply is totally gonna be that folks have to have private recommendation on this. However what we discovered in addition to there are methods to, as your youngsters become older, construction a few of these issues for them, particularly in relation to a Roth. Should you personal a enterprise, for example, or have sure sorts of work preparations, they will contribute to a Roth as effectively. I do know you recognize this world higher. However are you able to, form of, give us that overview for these of us who’ve older youngsters who’re beginning to work?
Michael: Completely. So, one of many guidelines to have in a Roth IRA is it’s a must to have what’s referred to as earned revenue. And in case your partner works and also you don’t, and also you’re beneath the IRS high-risk threshold, then congratulations, you’re eligible to do a Roth IRA. Nonetheless, you recognize, most of our kids who’re younger nonetheless that aren’t working a job, they’re not incomes, you recognize, earned revenue, they wanna be capable of say…Excuse me, I ought to say that a whole lot of our purchasers, they wanna educate their youngsters in regards to the energy of compound curiosity and saving for retirement. So, we use some totally different different autos to Roth IRA. Personally, I take advantage of what’s referred to as an overfunded index common life coverage. And I do know that I’m giving your viewers a whole lot of, form of, in-depth data that is likely to be somewhat bit laborious to digest. And that’s okay as a result of this monetary stuff could be difficult, but it surely can be actually clear in case you simply take your time.
Let me clarify to you why I take advantage of an overfunded index common life coverage. Whenever you’re utilizing a life insurance coverage coverage, and I’ve to emphasise this, not all life insurance coverage insurance policies are the identical. Life insurance coverage, they’re a type of investments that it might truly be actually dangerous so that you can do if it’s not correctly structured or the flip aspect of the coin, if one thing is correctly structured, it may be completely superior. So that you all the time should just remember to’re working with a fiduciary and somebody that actually understands how one can construction these correctly since you wouldn’t wanna do one thing after which discover out that it was the worst mistake attainable to make.
However what will we do for our youngsters as a result of they’re younger, I’ve an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 2-year-old, they’re not working a job. So that they don’t have earned revenue. And my spouse and I actually wanna give our youngsters a head begin in life and educate them about monetary wellness. So we’re contributing month-to-month to this insurance coverage account for them. And it’s not an enormous sum of money and it doesn’t should be an enormous sum of money. However compounding curiosity makes an enormous distinction. And if you get youngsters occurring this and beginning at an early age, that actually helps them perceive.
The entire thing in regards to the life insurance coverage is that it’s tax-free, similar to the Roth IRA. And, you recognize, for me, I earn an excessive amount of that I can not contribute right into a Roth IRA. And as a enterprise proprietor, I perceive I wanna get as a lot of my taxes out of the way in which as attainable whereas they’re on sale. So, I personally use for part of my funding technique, this index common life coverage, the place I’m getting that cash right into a tax-free account and it doesn’t have any, form of, phase-outs or restrictions like a Roth IRA does. So the IRS says, “Okay. Should you’re gonna do that, then we’ll will let you try this.” However once more, it’s somewhat little bit of a posh state of affairs however perceive that even in case you don’t have earned revenue, or in case you’re a enterprise proprietor and also you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, or just that you simply simply wanna get my right into a tax-free different to a Roth IRA, there are alternatives for you.
Katie: Received it. That is sensible. And I do know it’s, like I stated, somewhat bit extra advanced, seek the advice of your individual accountant, however for us, like, proudly owning sure companies and the youngsters in a position to work for us at totally different instances in several methods, like, we’re very cautious to trace that. However for anyone who owns a enterprise, there are some methods you are able to do that. Simply ensure you comply with the principles in case your youngsters…
Michael: Yeah, that’s the secret’s comply with the principles, discuss to an accountant or a CPA, however there are issues on the market that you are able to do. And also you don’t have to comply with the plenty. As a result of a whole lot of instances, simply going somewhat off the overwhelmed path and understanding that there are higher choices, and that they’re not generally mentioned as a result of they’re not enormous moneymakers, that’s gonna be higher for you versus for the advisor.
Katie: Received it. After which for my understanding, since this can be a retirement automobile, there’s penalties in case you wanna take it out early however there’s additionally I consider, like, some exceptions to that. And from my analysis as effectively, like, generally it’s price doing in case you’re in a position to make investments by way of a Roth as a result of the penalty can generally be lower than, like, long-term capital features, for example. So, like, I’ve form of needed to weigh these issues. However are you able to give us an outline of that?
Michael: Positive. And are you referring on the Roth IRA or the life insurance coverage account?
Katie: Sorry, on the Roth IRA, after which I undoubtedly wanna go deeper on the life insurance coverage aspect.
Michael: Okay. Sounds good. So, on the Roth IRA, the IRS permits you to take cash out of your Roth IRA with out the tax and with out the penalty. Once more, discuss to a CPA and simply make it possible for it’s best for you. However there are issues like monetary hardship, or in case you’re utilizing the cash to go to high school, or for the primary time dwelling buy in your life, you possibly can truly take cash out of your Roth IRA sooner than 59-and-a-half and never incur any form of IRS penalty for doing that.
Katie: Received it. Okay. So now, stroll us by way of somewhat bit extra element on…As a result of that is one thing else I’ve been exploring with you and one of many causes I wished to have you ever on right here is utilizing the life insurance coverage aspect, basically as an funding automobile, as effectively and, form of, simply a few of the tips that associate with that.
Michael: Sounds good. So, there’s a extremely good e-book by Tony Robbins, and it’s referred to as “MONEY Grasp the Sport.” And it’s an enormous e-book, by the way in which, and a extremely satisfying learn too. And that’s the factor that I wanna simply, you recognize, inform the listeners right here, don’t be intimidated by these things. Simply begin gradual and begin studying. It’s like anything. However Tony does a extremely good job about writing the place it’s very easy to grasp. But it surely’s I believe on, like, web page 439, he begins speaking about this. And Tony Robbins begins the e-book or a chapter on the life insurance coverage by saying, “I used to be launched to this idea by a few of my wealthiest buddies.” Now, I believe that Tony Robbins might be a reasonably rich man so when he says a few of his wealthiest buddies, there are tax methods. And that’s the one factor that, you recognize, once more, folks have to appreciate is that the rich aren’t doing loopy issues like offshore financial institution accounts or some secret accounts the place they’re hiding cash. They’re truly simply paying their taxes proper now as a result of if you return to realizing that taxes are on sale, you wanna get as a lot of your cash into tax-free autos because it is sensible for you. That’s precisely what rich persons are doing as effectively.
So, how the life insurance coverage idea works, and once more, I all the time wanna encourage folks to simply discuss to somebody who understands this idea very well. However in case you do a correctly structured life insurance coverage coverage for a part of your retirement plan, it may be probably the greatest selections that you simply made. And right here’s why. One, if you put cash into the life insurance coverage coverage that I’m speaking about, the expansion is completely tax-free. And that’s an enormous deal. We’ve already mentioned that. However the draw back to having a Roth IRA and pulling cash out previous to 59-and-a-half, such as you have been speaking about, Katie, is that you simply’re gonna get a ten% early withdrawal penalty if it’s earlier than age 59-and-a-half. And that’s on the curiosity. Any cash that you simply put right into a Roth IRA, you possibly can all the time take that precept out instantly with none form of penalty. It’s simply the curiosity that may incur a ten% penalty previous to 59-and-a-half.
However with life insurance coverage, there’s truly no early withdrawal penalty. The way in which the insurance coverage firms, form of, get round this, is that they do what’s referred to as a mortgage. And this is the reason I used to be saying to the listeners that life insurance coverage could be tweaked the perfect curiosity for the shopper or the perfect curiosity for the insurance coverage agent doing the coverage. You all the time need it to be in your aspect however what a whole lot of insurance coverage folks overlook to say, and I’m giving them the good thing about the doubt there, is that if you take cash out of a life insurance coverage account, they’re not all created equal. Some firms have what’s referred to as a mortgage provision or a mortgage charge, which signifies that, yeah, you’re gonna get that cash out of the life insurance coverage completely tax-free similar to the Roth IRA, however in case you don’t take it out with the proper firm, then the fallacious firm can cost you anyplace from 3% to eight% per 12 months mortgage curiosity in your cash.
There are a whole lot of actually good firms which have low rates of interest, like 0.5% or 1%. And the insurance coverage firm that I personally use has a assured 0%. So what this implies is that as we’re placing cash in for my spouse, and myself, and my youngsters, and it’s rising over time, if we have to faucet into it for varsity or we wanna faucet into it for, you recognize, some household occasion, or simply to make use of for our retirement in some unspecified time in the future down sooner or later that’s tax-free revenue, anytime that we wanna take cash out of that account, if we have now a 0% mortgage provision, what which means is that we’re not gonna pay any cash in taxes and we’re not gonna pay any charges. The insurance coverage firm is principally simply loaning our a reimbursement to us at a assured 0%. And that makes an enormous deal.
One different factor too, Katie, that your listeners is likely to be all for with the life insurance coverage if it’s correctly structured, you don’t should disclose money worth life insurance coverage on FAFSA varieties. So anytime that your youngsters going by way of college they usually’re filling out a FAFSA type to have the ability to get a grant, that doesn’t, by regulation, should be disclosed. And the unlucky factor is that we don’t need our youngsters who’re working laborious in class to not be eligible to get these grants simply because mother and pop make, you recognize, first rate cash of their life. Youngsters needs to be rewarded based mostly on the efforts that they’re placing in. So, I might go down rabbit gap after rabbit gap on this, however simply to maintain it at a high-level overview, I like doing the overfunded life insurance coverage insurance policies after they’re correctly structured as a result of I believe it’s, you recognize, mixed with a Roth IRA, probably the greatest issues that you are able to do. And once more, that’s getting cash into tax-free accounts.
Katie: That is sensible. Yeah, it looks as if with something, once more, the corollary with well being is the sooner you begin, the higher, definitely on this stuff. And such as you talked about about doing this in your youngsters, even after they’re younger, and it being a lot inexpensive when they’re younger, after which it might construct for his or her complete life. So it’s such a bonus for them. And I believe that brings a extremely necessary level as effectively that’s actually gonna resonate with lots of people listening. And that’s, like, in relation to all of this, for many people studying this as adults and being cognizant of wanting to have the ability to cross on not simply, like, funds, when it comes to cash and future to our youngsters, however the expertise and techniques to have long-term monetary wellness themselves after they go away dwelling.
And I do know this can be a actually necessary space for you as effectively and that you simply and your spouse are very intentional in the way you educate your youngsters about this and the conversations you may have surrounding cash. I believe that is additionally in all probability a troublesome level to speak about for lots of households or possibly mother and father don’t actually know how one can, form of, begin these conversations, or how one can begin educating these expertise to our youngsters. And I do know it’s actually necessary to you. So, what are a few of the suggestions you’ll give to oldsters as they’re studying this themselves to assist their youngsters be taught and have that sturdy, strong monetary basis as effectively?
Michael: Sounds good. So, go and get your child an ice cream cone after which take an enormous chew out of it earlier than you hand it to them and say that’s taxes, and watch the response on their face. I’m simply kidding. Don’t try this. However the entire thing about being a mother or father, you recognize, and nowadays, it’s so laborious to speak to our youngsters about sure issues, cash being certainly one of them. However you recognize what? In class, they don’t discuss to folks about this. I sit on the board of administrators for Junior Achievement of Utah. That’s the place we’re situated. And Junior Achievement is superior as a result of it principally goes into these faculties and it teaches youngsters nearly cash and teaches them about, you recognize, they will work laborious and grow to be something they need in life. Youngsters don’t have alternative in class on a regular basis, like what Junior Achievement is attempting to carry consciousness to. So it’s our job is the mother and father to show.
Now, right here’s the deal. I don’t should be a world-class, you recognize, bicycle owner to have the ability to soar on a motorbike and attempt to educate my youngsters. So, if funds appear formidable to you, then be taught somewhat bit your self after which educate your youngsters. And youngsters are fairly…you recognize, they take up this, form of, stuff. And I believe they’re gonna watch, you recognize, in case you say, “Hey, the explanation why we’re placing cash into this household trip jar is as a result of we wanna get monetary savings or, you recognize, when you’ve got a job the place you’re mowing lawns otherwise you’re shoveling snow, encourage them, say, “Look, if we truly take somewhat little bit of this cash and put it apart and put it into an account the place it’s gonna develop or simply the truth that you’re saving, it’s going to be so a lot better for you.”
So, I suppose my recommendation could be, you recognize, you don’t should be a professional to show somebody and even simply have that dialog. Make it a household occasion the place you’re studying about this, form of, stuff collectively. Possibly simply, you recognize, honesty isn’t all the time the perfect coverage. So in case you’re that particular person the place you don’t know a lot about funds, have a household assembly and say, “Hey, guys, you recognize what? I wanna do a brand new factor in the home. I wanna study this collectively. And let’s perform a little little bit of studying.” And clearly, for the youngsters, preserve it at an easier-to-understand degree. However make it a enjoyable factor and present them nearly how as they’re saving and saving or, you recognize, doing chores and placing that cash in, it’s gonna develop over time.
Katie: Yeah, precisely. And that’s…I do know you and I’ve talked about this somewhat bit offline as effectively. However you’re proper, college will not be educating a whole lot of these foundational expertise. And a whole lot of listeners have heard me say on right here, you recognize, faculties not essentially educating a whole lot of foundational life expertise. These are issues that we as mother and father nonetheless should be very conscious and cognizant of. And people conversations can occur…Youngsters can perceive a lot from such a younger age. And simply in our household with our bent in the direction of entrepreneurship, we form of work all the pieces by way of that form of a mindset. However I believe no matter your investing technique is, no matter this stuff that you simply’re gonna do, it’s an awesome alternative to show your youngsters as you go. Such as you stated, you don’t should be excellent at it to have the ability to begin educating them, however even simply to offer them that mindset early on in life about consciousness about saving and investing, and never simply spending cash and utilizing their cash to create extra wealth long-term, having that at a younger age is such a bonus.
Michael: And I believe that, you recognize, lots of people will say, “Nicely, I don’t, you recognize, need my child to give attention to cash.” And I’d agree with that. However once more, I made a remark, you recognize, in the direction of the start of our present right here is that cash is a device, and you may actually do good issues and assist folks with it. And in case you educate your youngsters that, you say, “Look, I’m not attempting to earn a living as a result of I wanna be the wealthiest particular person on the planet. I need to use cash to have the ability to bless the lives of different folks.” And I had talked about about doing, like, charitable issues. The happiest folks in life are the folks which can be in a position to give away and provides their time or, you recognize, monetary assets to lifting different folks. There’s an outdated saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” And I completely consider that.
So, as we’re speaking to our youngsters, and even for us, proper, as we’re on this quest to earn more cash in life, ask your self, “Why will we need to earn more cash?” There all the time must be a why. And the why needs to be, “Hey, I wanna have monetary peace and safety. I don’t wanna be stressed in my life. I don’t wanna fear about how one can, you recognize, make ends meet as a result of I went out and acquired a ship or a aspect by aspect and it was a frivolous buy that I can’t afford.” Study your self the why and likewise educate your youngsters the why. And, you recognize, going again to that factor, in case you’re not a pleasant particular person, cash is a magnifier. It’s gonna amplify you to a fair not nicer particular person. And that’s simply gonna trigger emotional turmoil and stress in your life. However in case you can view cash as a device and also you view it as I can assist folks, I can bless the lives of different folks, I really feel like accumulating wealth shall be a lot extra aligned from a bodily, and emotional, non secular standpoint than simply attempt to grow to be the wealthiest particular person there’s.
Katie: I utterly agree and echo that. After which not solely are we not requiring assets from society to deal with ourselves but in addition, like, you stated, we have now the power to assist others, which is definitely, a extremely enjoyable motivator for me, as effectively. And I believe you’ve made such level is that the sooner you put together for this, the extra compounding it occurs and also you get to do extra of that all through your complete life. And I’m additionally curious as a result of I’ve been working with you on this. So full disclosure, you might be serving to advise me on a whole lot of these areas, as I be taught. And for anyone listening, who possibly these are new matters to you, they usually wanna actually begin getting concerned, what does an optimum state of affairs appear to be? If somebody does have some revenue to place into a few of these totally different autos, I’m curious, like, what would you say is simply…? I’m positive there’s, after all, variation from household to household, however what could be some good overarching locations to start out? And likewise, in case you’re prepared to share, what do you do personally?
Michael: Oh, yeah, I’m all the time prepared to share. Transparency, I believe, is admittedly key with all of the purchasers that we work with. So, once more, simply, you recognize, as a enterprise proprietor, like your self, a whole lot of my enterprise, I put…excuse me, my progress that occurs financially in my life, I reinvest again into our firm. You already know, right here’s somewhat…Okay. And all of your listeners, Katie, they’ve to vow, I’m gonna share a secret proper now, they will’t exit and ever repeat that I stated this. However right here it goes. I can’t management the inventory market and neither can another advisor that I do know. I really feel so a lot better by saying that. And no, I’m simply joking. However the cause why I’m saying that’s as a result of, in all actuality, we will’t management the market. So, my recommendation for the listeners is, hey, as you’re rising and placing your cash someplace, take into account taking a hybrid method, placing a few of your cash into secure autos the place it’s going to continue to grow and even when issues just like the inventory market goes down, you received’t lose cash. After which for a portion of your cash, it’s okay to have somewhat little bit of an up and down and have somewhat little bit of a curler coaster.
However the place lots of people get freaked out in regards to the inventory market is that they go, “All proper, effectively, I don’t wanna put my cash in right here to look at one thing like 2008 occur once more the place I lose, you recognize, 40% of my retirement, like, at a extremely quick timeframe.” Truly, in case you return to this previous March, the inventory market had one of many quickest drops in U.S. inventory historical past. It was down virtually 30%, like, actually inside a matter of weeks. And that was loopy as a result of in case you return to the early 1900s, it had not fallen that quick. When issues like that occur and when there’s a lot volatility, it scares folks. And, you recognize, this is without doubt one of the triggers why folks don’t get into saving for retirement or investing as a result of they get paralysis evaluation. And that’s, “Hey, if I put my cash into one thing, what if I lose?” Nicely, take a balanced method. Identical to something that you simply do in life, you wanna be balanced. Put some cash in a secure account. Put some cash in an account that’s gonna go up and down.
And, you recognize, for me, a whole lot of our retirement nest egg is in that tax-free automobile that I used to be speaking to you about, the Roth IRA. We now have a Roth 401(okay) at my work that I contribute to as effectively. And I additionally put a whole lot of my very own private cash into the overfunded common life insurance policies. But additionally, once I put cash into my enterprise, that’s me investing in myself. And in some unspecified time in the future, you recognize, down the street, my enterprise shall be price one thing that I can promote. In order that’s the way in which I have a look at my, you recognize, portion of my retirement nest egg. However, you recognize, I lose cash in my enterprise, and I name it R&D {dollars}. And what I imply by that isn’t as a result of we made poor enterprise selections, however R&D {dollars} for me is, “Hey, let’s attempt promoting right here,” or, “Hey, let’s attempt, you recognize, this monetary piece of software program.” And generally you discover out, oh, shoot, that software program wasn’t nearly as good as what we thought or, hey, you recognize, we have been promoting right here, and it wasn’t actually a great spot. I imply, we go right into a calculated and we do the perfect we will, however the entire level is, is you possibly can’t management all the pieces.
So, what I’m attempting to say for the listeners is have the power to place some cash into one thing that received’t go down after which put some cash into issues that may go up and down, and be okay with the down, and simply know that that’s a part of life. And that in case you’re doing issues persistently, you’re gonna determine what works. Now, one different factor too, Katie, that goes with out saying but it surely’s actually necessary will not be all advisors are created equal. And that may be a actually, actually necessary level. And what I imply by that’s that your advisor must be a fiduciary and that may be a license. An individual can’t simply say, “I’m gonna be a fiduciary.” And what a fiduciary is, is somebody that morally, legally, and ethically has your finest pursuits at coronary heart. Our agency is a registered funding advisory agency and we’re fiduciaries. And what which means is that once we give recommendation to our purchasers, it’s in our shopper’s finest curiosity, not as a result of I wanna exit and make a purchase order, so I like to recommend one thing to a shopper so I receives a commission a big fee. We don’t try this.
And when your advisor is a fiduciary, then in the event that they’re not providing you with good recommendation, then there’s some severe repercussions that may include that. There could possibly be fines, there could possibly be lack of license, or there could possibly be jail time. And the unhappy factor is that everybody that’s on this trade that’s coping with somebody’s life financial savings needs to be a fiduciary. And there’s no regulation presently that claims that. So, perform a little little bit of homework. And in case you’re, you recognize, working with an advisor, ask them, “Are you a fiduciary?” And in the event that they’re not, I’d strongly encourage you to work with somebody that’s a fiduciary. So, hopefully, that helps out. I take a balanced method to my life and I notice it’s okay to have some issues go up and down, to spend money on myself, spend money on our firm, to attempt some new issues. However, you recognize, the flip aspect of the coin is, “Hey, I don’t wanna put all the pieces in danger.” Once we have been all little youngsters, our mama taught us don’t put all of your eggs in a single basket. You wanna diversify. And that’s precisely what you must do.
Katie: Yeah, that’s nice recommendation. And I do know you may have some assets in your web site for folks to start out studying extra about these. And I’ll put these hyperlinks within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening.
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You talked about Tony Robbin’s e-book “MONEY Grasp the Sport,” which I agree is phenomenal. Are there another assets you’ll suggest to folks to continue to learn about this?
Michael: You already know, that’s a tough factor as a result of the web is filled with opinions. I believe it’s simply discovering somebody that you simply belief and that may perceive your state of affairs and be capable of give good recommendation. And that’s the entire thing about my job is that, you recognize, we carry folks on, like I stated, which can be nearing retirement or presently in retirement. However there are folks that we work with that say, “Mike, I’ve no clue the place to start.” And what we actually, form of, geek out on and take satisfaction on is saying, “All proper, let’s create this plan for you and present you ways in case you’re doing XYZ the way it could make an enormous distinction.” As a result of for lots of people, even these which can be nearing or proper about to cross the end line for retirement, lots of people don’t notice, “Hey, I’ve received the monetary recreation.”
And it’s, form of, like going round a operating observe the place you’re operating and operating and operating, and also you’re like, “The place’s the end line?” And when you may have a plan and somebody, form of, takes all the pieces that you simply’ve executed, and brings all of it collectively, and also you’re saying, “Hey you recognize what? You’ll be able to truly retire.” Boy, the peace of thoughts that folks have, you recognize, we get folks that cry in our workplace as a result of they really feel so good or they’ll name in or write again and say, “I had the perfect sleep of my life.” And what I’m telling any listeners is that, you recognize, that is likely to be a great distance out for you. That needs to be your purpose. That needs to be one thing that you simply work in the direction of.
So, I actually like “MONEY Grasp the Sport” from a monetary standpoint. However I need to share with the listeners a e-book that’s actually impacted my life for a extremely constructive method. And that’s a e-book by an writer named Clayton Christensen. And the e-book is known as “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And the explanation why I like this e-book is as a result of, first off, Clayton Christensen, he was a Harvard professor. And what he did, right here’s form of, like, the backdrop, he would problem his graduating college students with three easy questions to look at, measure, and enhance all points of their life.
Query primary that he would ask them is, you recognize, for them to ask themselves, “How can I make sure that I’ll achieve success and comfortable in my profession or life?” Quantity two, “How can I make sure that my relationships with my partner, my kids, and my prolonged household, shut buddies, and so forth. can grow to be a permanent supply of happiness of their life?” And the third factor, he says, “How can I make sure that I dwell a lifetime of integrity and keep out of jail?” Now, that may shock somebody once I say keep out of jail. He’s not referring to, like, you make a selection, you’re going to jail. However what he’s referring to is, hey, we have now these, you recognize, jails, emotionally, bodily, and mentally. You already know, in case you don’t train and eat poor meals, you’re principally placing your physique in jail or in case you’re getting over into debt that’s pointless, you’re placing your self into this emotional jail. So he’s saying how do you keep out of jail from a complete standpoint? And on a aspect word, I believe there’s a man whose title was Jeff Skilling, he was with Enron, and I believe all you guys know that title. He was additionally in Clayton Christensen’s class at Harvard.
So, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” This e-book has actually impacted me for a couple of causes. One, clearly, discovering happiness in your life is one thing that everybody is trying ahead to. You already know, he talks about it in his e-book. And that’s, form of, the place I’ve been expounding on that concept is that cash will not be the basis reason for unhappiness, but it surely turns into an issue when it supersedes all the pieces else. So, with that being stated, one of many issues that’s essentially the most impacting second of my lifetime of studying this e-book is when he talks about household. And, you recognize, Katie, this goes into what we have been speaking a few second in the past, nearly educating our youngsters. Clayton Christensen, he actually emphasizes that our function as mother and father is to organize our kids for the longer term. And actually, that the tragedy of at the moment’s tradition is that we’re outsourcing parenting to different folks, like kin, or nannies, and even the colleges or extracurricular actions.
And we’ve actually overpassed the significance of our time, which is admittedly the best reward that we may give one other particular person. Investing our time in one other actually is an indication of respect and love. And it offers this clear sign to others to what’s most necessary in your life. And, you recognize, once more, simply going again to that complete factor about staying out of jail is we wanna be capable of stability our life. And we wanna be capable of select the proper selections as a result of it has a compounding impact similar to cash does, proper. Once we do one thing simply this one time as a result of the marginal value seems to be negligible, we get suckered in, after which we get so far in our life, and we’re like, “Gosh, how did I get to date into debt?” Or, “Oh, my gosh, how come I’m so out of practice?” Or, “Geez, you recognize, there’s all these points, proper, to creating good decisions.” So, that may be a e-book that I’d extremely encourage to any listener that wishes to enhance relationships or enhance themselves from a holistic standpoint. “How Will You Measure Your Life?” by Clayton Christensen.
Katie: That’s a brand new one. I like the advice. I’ll add that to the present notes as effectively so that you guys can discover it. And I believe that recommendation is so necessary too, and ties into the retirement dialog as a result of I hear so typically folks suppose that like, “Oh, I’m gonna do this stuff once I retire.” And so they’re spending all of their time doing different issues now. And I believe this final 12 months particularly has given some folks much more time freedom, or at the least location freedom in relation to work as a result of issues have shifted a lot. However both method, I believe recognizing early on, I say this, on the finish of each podcast, truly, that point is our most useful asset. And recognizing that early and treating it as such, we don’t have to attend for retirement to dwell points of the life we wanna dwell.
And in reality, I believe we’re happier, and more healthy, and contribute higher to different folks into society once we’re in a position to work these issues in no matter method we will now. It’s one thing I’ve encouraging my youngsters by way of entrepreneurship as effectively is like, definitely, there are occasions once we’re gonna simply immediately commerce our time for cash however that point can be a facet of freedom. So to no matter diploma that you could actually shield your time and who you spend it with, that’s actually a really helpful asset. And cash could be made extra however time can’t.
Michael: That’s proper. And once more, I really feel like an important issues in our life are the issues that, you recognize, can’t be measured, like the scale of a checking account. It’s the power to like, to giggle, to cry, to forgive, to have household relationships, and simply to essentially embrace the nice that you’ve in your life. As a result of, you recognize, Katie, the world is a reasonably risky place proper now, from a political standpoint or simply what’s occurring with even the inventory market. There’s a whole lot of uncertainty and it might create anxiousness, however there’s a whole lot of good. And I actually really feel like if we give attention to the nice and we take time to have gratitude and replicate on the issues that’s necessary to us in our life, we’ll discover happiness.
Now, I’m gonna share with you one last item that my dad shared with me that stood out to me. As my dad all the time stated, “Mike, you’re by no means gonna wanna look again in your life and say, ‘Gosh, I ought to have spent extra time on the workplace, or, ‘Geez, I want I’d have made more cash.’” On the finish of the day when all of us are out of time, we’re gonna look again on our life and we’re gonna say, “Was I in a position to stability it? Was I in a position to make the world a greater place? Was I in a position to take this future technology of youngsters and practice them to be comfortable and profitable and to be, you recognize, leaders and doers of excellent?” And that’s actually what it’s, is start with the top in thoughts and simply work backwards from there. And that applies to your monetary wellness and it applies to your bodily wellness. You gotta begin on the finish and work backwards.
Katie: Completely. And yeah, pertaining to that concept of, form of, that long-term pondering and likewise inversion and determining how one can resolve issues as a long-term equation. Superb recommendation, and particularly in relation to funds as a result of such as you talked about, it’s laborious to have these issues develop rapidly in a single day. However over time, it may be actually astounding what can occur. In a way, the youthful we begin engaged on this stuff and educate our youngsters about this stuff, the extra time freedom and the extra all of this stuff compound later in life. I do know…I discussed I’ll put your web site within the present notes for folks to seek out you in the event that they wanna get in contact. However are you able to additionally simply tell us anyplace they will discover you on-line or one of the best ways to attach?
Michael: Yeah, sounds good. So our firm is Capital Wealth Advisors in Lehi, Utah. There may be for some cause a few different Capital Wealth Advisors, however that isn’t us. So the perfect factor you possibly can do is in case you wanna get in contact and in case you acquired some questions, I’m very happy to level you in the proper path and assist out, so our web site is capitalwealth.com, capitalwealth.com or you possibly can attain out to me on LinkedIn, Michael Stevens, Capital Wealth Advisors. And if anybody would really like, you’re welcome to simply give our workplace a name, 801-210-2800. And I respect you placing all that within the notes. We now have the nicest workers on the planet. So, if this can be a daunting factor for you, in case you’re new, simply getting began and also you want some good recommendation, you’re gonna be greeted by the warmest, nicest folks on the planet as a result of our workers solely works with good folks as a result of they’re good folks. Give us a name. We may give you some path. Even when we don’t work collectively, we’re all the time comfortable to pay it ahead and begin folks out on the proper foot.
Katie: Wonderful. I’ll once more put these within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening if you are driving or exercising, you could find the entire issues we’ve talked about there. And I’ll hyperlink to these books you’ve talked about as effectively. I’m excited to take a look at the “How Will You Measure Your Life?” one. I simply put it in my Amazon cart. And Michael I respect on a private degree you serving to me be taught all of these things, and particularly your time right here at the moment and sharing with everybody else. I’m very grateful that you simply have been right here, and thanks.
Michael: Hey, it was enjoyable. And I like educating folks and, Katie, you and your loved ones are superior. Thanks a lot for having me on.
Katie: And as I say, and it was reiterated on this episode, I stated this each time, thanks for listening, for sharing your most useful asset, your time, your power with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply have been right here, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.
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